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and former secretary of defense, leon panetta. is the shutdown hurting our national security, and what he thinks is different today from the last shutdown in 1996. >> policy threats and basically holding the country hostage whether it's on a continuing resolution or debt ceiling or raising these kinds of blackmail approaches. >> i'm david gregory. all that ahead on this edition of "meet the press" for sunday, october 13. >> from nbc news in washington, the world's longest-running television program, this is "meet the press." >> and good sunday morning. wish there were better news to tell you but congress and plt obama are still crawling to the finish line in the race to end the fiscal crisis with the deadline this coming thursday. the focus is now in the senate. in session today, house speaker john boehner, and on saturday the talks between the house gop and president obama had broken down. so bottom line, there is no agreement on ending the shutdown of the government or raising the nation's debt limit. joining me now, the assista
and former secretary of defense, leon panetta. is the shutdown hurting our national security, and what he thinks is different today from the last shutdown in 1996. >> policy threats and basically holding the country hostage whether it's on a continuing resolution or debt ceiling or raising these kinds of blackmail approaches. >> i'm david gregory. all that ahead on this edition of "meet the press" for sunday, october 13. >> from nbc news in washington, the world's...
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weekend defense secretary chuck hagel said he found a way to recall to work hundreds of thousands of civilian employees sent home from the pentagon without pay. they also passed something ed t which they thought might handle all of the other means of support for members of the military and their families that had been shut down by the shutdown. but apparently they were wrong. apparently they had not figured out a way to protect our members of the military and their families from the effects of the shutdown. apparently what they thought was a good shield was not a good shield. didn't work at all. this is andrea mitchell's report on just how wrong they were were. >> out of all the outrage in washington over the government shutdown, this one really hits home. the families of five u.s. troops killed over the weekend in afghanistan got a second call from the government. that the government cannot pay their death benefits t immediate benefits to help with funerals and flights to meet their loved ones' coffins because of the government shutdown. far from the furloughs on the front lines, la
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they work at the department of defense. they work at the department of education. they work at the dea. often when they come home they go back to work at the government. the scope is unprecedented. v.a. hospitals are closing, v.a. facilities closing the doors. medical services opening. suicide crisis line is open. that's important. we're getting unprosecutes departmented levels of calls to case workers. our community is ju under tremendous stress. this is shameful. our community doesn't understand why washington can't get this together. >> i heard today the national guard members get basically ious compared to regular army, they are not paid during the shutdown. is that correct? >> we've been hearing from members across the country who have had national guard and reserve drills kaenlsd. there's an economic impact. they are not going to get a couple hundred they were depending on to pay rent and put food on the table. national security impact. they are not training for war. that's an underreported part of the story. we have folks in afghanistan right now fighting, g
they work at the department of defense. they work at the department of education. they work at the dea. often when they come home they go back to work at the government. the scope is unprecedented. v.a. hospitals are closing, v.a. facilities closing the doors. medical services opening. suicide crisis line is open. that's important. we're getting unprosecutes departmented levels of calls to case workers. our community is ju under tremendous stress. this is shameful. our community doesn't...
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congressman duncan hunter said i'm at a loss about why the department of defense did not take a more active role in notifying congress and insisting that changes in law occur immediately. so what's your reaction to representative hunter there, kind of deflecting at least some of the blame straight at the pentagon and not at their own feet over this? >> first of all, i want to thank duncan hunter for his own service in the army, but all that said, what happens when so many go down to washington, d.c., is they want to be judged for their intentions, not their deeds or their lack of deeds. and the finger pointing begins. look, we learned in the military that we are not just responsible for our duty, but we are to be held accountable for our duty and that's what the senate and the congress aren't doing, nor is mr. hunter when he just wants to point across to the pentagon. we obey those law that say we defend, and if he had this question, why didn't he ask it before he voted for the law? where was his deed, not his intention of making sure that service members, of whom he served with, wer
congressman duncan hunter said i'm at a loss about why the department of defense did not take a more active role in notifying congress and insisting that changes in law occur immediately. so what's your reaction to representative hunter there, kind of deflecting at least some of the blame straight at the pentagon and not at their own feet over this? >> first of all, i want to thank duncan hunter for his own service in the army, but all that said, what happens when so many go down to...
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>> if you look at the speech i gave at the national defense college several months ago, i outline the how i saw the shift in terrorism around the world and what we have to do to respond to it. part of what i said is that we had decimated core al qaeda, that been operating between afghanistan and pakistan. but you now have these regional groups, some of which are explicitly tied to al qaeda or that idealogy and some of which more localized. a few of them have the ability to project beyond their borders but they can do a lot of damage inside their borders. and africa is one of the places where because in some cases lack of capacity on the part of the governments and in some cases because it is easier for folks to hide out in vast terrains that are sparsely populated, that you're seeing some of these groups gather. we're going to have to continue to go after them. there's a difference between us going after terrorists who are plotting dwrekt directly to the united states and us being involved in wars. the risks of terrorism and terrorist networks will continue for some time to come. we'v
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we funded the entire department of defense. in july we did homeland security, and the construction firm, military, we did vr, we actually followed the actual appropriations process every one of them clean. none of them having anything to do with obama care. and the senate is taken up any, nor have they passed their own appropriations. >> i would note you tried to pass a transportation bill that you had to pull it didn't hatch the votes. >> as did the senate have to pull theirs. >> right, the cuts mandated by the budget control act are so severe. your colleague, congressman, said that actually breaching the debt ceiling would "bring stability to financial markets" do you agree with him? >> no, not at all. i think that is crazy talk. >> i have to say, he is not alone in this. you saw senator tom coburn, served in the senate, objected to ted cruz's essentially strategic play on shutting down the government over defunding obama care, you have him saying there is no debt ceiling. there is a growing consensus in your own party this j
we funded the entire department of defense. in july we did homeland security, and the construction firm, military, we did vr, we actually followed the actual appropriations process every one of them clean. none of them having anything to do with obama care. and the senate is taken up any, nor have they passed their own appropriations. >> i would note you tried to pass a transportation bill that you had to pull it didn't hatch the votes. >> as did the senate have to pull theirs....
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the obama administration, the department of defense informed congress and the public that the department would be legally unable to pay death benefits were there to be a lapse in dod appropriations and unfortunately, said the administration, this issue was not explicitly addressed as part of the pay our military act, which congress did pass last week. the president was very disturbed to learn of this problem and directed dod to work with omb and his lawyers to develop a possible solution. well, this, of course, is counteracted by duncan hunter and other republican members of congress and the military branch who say that they believe that the pay our military act did cover it. so you've got this additional dispute between both ends of pennsylvania avenue as to whether the congressional fix worked or didn't. in any case, it obviously didn't work because the death benefits aren't being paid. now the house is voting this afternoon. then it will go to the senate. there could be unanimous consent. the senate could take it up quickly as the house has. jack, the larger issue is the role of the m
the obama administration, the department of defense informed congress and the public that the department would be legally unable to pay death benefits were there to be a lapse in dod appropriations and unfortunately, said the administration, this issue was not explicitly addressed as part of the pay our military act, which congress did pass last week. the president was very disturbed to learn of this problem and directed dod to work with omb and his lawyers to develop a possible solution. well,...
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their remains were greeted by defense secretary chuck hagel but some of the families had to pay their own flights to the ceremony because of the government shutdown. they did not get emergency benefits, $100,000 pays within 36 hours of a death. however, maryland based fisher house foundation stepped in to cover the cost the government would not pay. >> fisher house has always been about family. so it was just -- it was something i felt compelled to do. >> right now congress is working on a fix. the house is expected to vote in the next hour on a republican measure that would allow the pentagon to pay death benefits during the shutdown. a new ap poll shows 62% blame the shutdown on republicans in congress. 49% say president obama and democrats in congress share the blame. the poll also shows this incredible number, congress has an approval rating now of just 5%. the president is at 37%. all of this comes amid new signs of movement in the stalemate over this government shutdown and raising the debt limit. we'll get into that in a minute. but first jim mick la chef xi joins us. this may
their remains were greeted by defense secretary chuck hagel but some of the families had to pay their own flights to the ceremony because of the government shutdown. they did not get emergency benefits, $100,000 pays within 36 hours of a death. however, maryland based fisher house foundation stepped in to cover the cost the government would not pay. >> fisher house has always been about family. so it was just -- it was something i felt compelled to do. >> right now congress is...
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that would be an impeachable defense by the president. >> so, james, we've got on one hand the outright racist ugliness. on another hand, the president is not a legitimate president, then he wins decisively. now we're going to impeach him. >> right. these threads all go together. and as cynthia pointed out, rev, you and others on this network have been sort of following these things. sometimes people ask us why we pay attention to the fringe, rev. that's because the fringe is controlling the republican party. the confederate flag is a symbol to millions of from eaafrican-as show white supremacy for hundreds of years in this nation. so it's a deeply offensive symbol for many americans. to see it there and not have representatives in the house or in the senate speak out against that kind of hatred and violence to me is absolutely awful. the reason we have to pay attention to this fringe is because these folk are connected to representatives in the congress who are actually controlling our government right now. and so it's very important we understand it and unveil it for what it is. it is
that would be an impeachable defense by the president. >> so, james, we've got on one hand the outright racist ugliness. on another hand, the president is not a legitimate president, then he wins decisively. now we're going to impeach him. >> right. these threads all go together. and as cynthia pointed out, rev, you and others on this network have been sort of following these things. sometimes people ask us why we pay attention to the fringe, rev. that's because the fringe is...
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hopefully, we'll follow that when it passes take up the defense bill later this year. but it's very important to make sure that we keep our promises to those iraqis who put their lives on the line to help us. >> senator, thank you very much. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >>> and house democrats met with the president last night. according to reports he got an earful from d.c.'s nonvoting representative eleanor holmes-norton about the administration opposition to the city of washington. joining me jim clyburn, congressman thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> it's great to see you, apparently this was not such a warm and cozy meeting between the veteran congressman eleanor holmes-norton and the president of the united states when it came to the district reopening -- right now the district is using its own emergency funds to keep open. >> yes, i know. i think all of us are aware that the district of columbia is in a very unique, and i think, disadvantageous situation. they collect taxes. they have their own budget. and yet, they have to co
hopefully, we'll follow that when it passes take up the defense bill later this year. but it's very important to make sure that we keep our promises to those iraqis who put their lives on the line to help us. >> senator, thank you very much. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >>> and house democrats met with the president last night. according to reports he got an earful from d.c.'s nonvoting representative eleanor holmes-norton about the administration opposition to...
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. >> you were in my mind you scored a defensive touchdown. someone else fumbled the ball on the 10 yard line and you ran it 90 yards in the end zone. >> there's have very vivid analogy. >> it was thrilling. but someone else had an apparatus that everybody else was bullet proof. what happened between him and her? >> as a youth, i always admired deeken jones the defensive end for the rams. and i like your analogy. that's what i envision myself doing if i pursued myself in football. >> stripping the ball. >> i like that. >> you did strip the ball. >> i think the central reality is this mayor, and i could tell you the things i think he's done well that we need to continue. he's been great on the environment, public health, smart about diversity our economy. but it's not a state secret that he had a certain thing that grew with time that the closed circle got more closed. decreased. and as he pursued certainly the term limit change in '08 was the break pount point, that ended some of the faith that people had in his independence and reformism and
. >> you were in my mind you scored a defensive touchdown. someone else fumbled the ball on the 10 yard line and you ran it 90 yards in the end zone. >> there's have very vivid analogy. >> it was thrilling. but someone else had an apparatus that everybody else was bullet proof. what happened between him and her? >> as a youth, i always admired deeken jones the defensive end for the rams. and i like your analogy. that's what i envision myself doing if i pursued myself in...
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secretary hagel recalled hundreds of thousands of civilian employees of the defense department back to work. they had been furloughed baze of the government shutdown but he called them back to work. we have had political skirmishes and fights in the past including shutdowns of the federal government but before this one we have never, ever, ever as a nation had a government shutdown at a time of war. yes, bush and rumsfeld declared the war over a decade early but the war is not over. it is 12 years old today and counting. thanks to the shut down. the soldiers fighting in afghanistan tonight are rewarded for their service by having to worry about their kids being kicked out of on-base child care while they are fighting that war. support the troops looks awesome on a bumper sticker. as policy it takes a little more commitment than that. at a ford dealer with a little q and a for fiona. tell me fiona, who's having a big tire event? your ford dealer. who has 11 major brands to choose from? your ford dealer. who's offering a rebate? your ford dealer. who has the low price tire guarantee, aff
secretary hagel recalled hundreds of thousands of civilian employees of the defense department back to work. they had been furloughed baze of the government shutdown but he called them back to work. we have had political skirmishes and fights in the past including shutdowns of the federal government but before this one we have never, ever, ever as a nation had a government shutdown at a time of war. yes, bush and rumsfeld declared the war over a decade early but the war is not over. it is 12...
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defense secretary chuck hagel was also in attendance. andrea mitchell is reporting live from dover air force base and will have the latest on this story at the top of the hour. >>> coming up, a group of republican senators calls on the white house to move terror suspect anas al libi to guantanamo bay. we'll discuss the legal gray areas in the war on terror with the aclu. that's next. tor? not yet. but i took this new clearblue test. it's like two tests in one. oh, my god. i think i'm gonna cry. [ female announcer ] the new clearblue pregnancy test also estimates how many weeks. weeks estimator. only from clearblue. wee♪s estimator. (announcer) answer the call of the grill with new friskies grillers, full of meaty tenders and crunchy bites. a confident retirement. those dreams, there's just no way we're going to let them die. ♪ like they helped millions of others. by listening. planning. working one on one. that's what ameriprise financial does. that's what they can do with you. that's how ameriprise puts more within reach. ♪ >>> di
defense secretary chuck hagel was also in attendance. andrea mitchell is reporting live from dover air force base and will have the latest on this story at the top of the hour. >>> coming up, a group of republican senators calls on the white house to move terror suspect anas al libi to guantanamo bay. we'll discuss the legal gray areas in the war on terror with the aclu. that's next. tor? not yet. but i took this new clearblue test. it's like two tests in one. oh, my god. i think i'm...
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. >> you in my mind are viewed with a defensive touchdown. someone else fumbled the ball on the ten yard line and you ran the ball 90 yards into the end zone. why did that person fumble the ball? >> very vivid analysis. >> no. i mean, your 90-yard run is thrilling and someone else had a an apparatus everyone else thought was bullet-proof. what happened to him ear hen? >> as a youth i always admired deacon jones, defensive end then for the rams who passed away recently and the notion -- i like your analogy. that's what i envision myself doing if i pursued a career in football. >> stripping the ball? >> stripping the ball and running 90 yards. >> you did strip the ball. >> i like that. i think -- i think the central reality is, look. this mayor -- i've said openly, i could tell you the things he's done well and continue and great on the environment. public health. smart about trying to diversify the economy. definitely things he's done well and not a state it's not a statt he has a certain hugh brus that grew with time. decreased. and as he pur
. >> you in my mind are viewed with a defensive touchdown. someone else fumbled the ball on the ten yard line and you ran the ball 90 yards into the end zone. why did that person fumble the ball? >> very vivid analysis. >> no. i mean, your 90-yard run is thrilling and someone else had a an apparatus everyone else thought was bullet-proof. what happened to him ear hen? >> as a youth i always admired deacon jones, defensive end then for the rams who passed away recently...
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the amount of money the government is paying out to private sector contractors who are helping the defense, to social security recipients, and the contraction, some estimates i saw, are as high as 16% for the quarter which is, you know, about double the worst of the great recession. >> so the bottom line, congress set to act on military families but not yet on this budget as we get ever closer to the debt deadline likely as early as next week. betty? >> it is frightening. okay, tracie, thank you. >>> so in the middle of all of this, what is the last thing you expect to see the army buy during a government shutdown? how about a mechanical bull? that's right. on monday, utah's national guard contracted to buy a mechanical bull for $47,000 claiming it's needed to attract new recruits. last week the government sent home close to 800,000 workers due to the shutdown. but at least we can still afford mechanized cows. >>> so some big news now and an historic first for one of the oldest boys clubs in america. this morning president obama will nominate janet yellen to chair the federal reserve. she'
the amount of money the government is paying out to private sector contractors who are helping the defense, to social security recipients, and the contraction, some estimates i saw, are as high as 16% for the quarter which is, you know, about double the worst of the great recession. >> so the bottom line, congress set to act on military families but not yet on this budget as we get ever closer to the debt deadline likely as early as next week. betty? >> it is frightening. okay,...
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ashton carter will step down in december after serving under 11 defense secretaries. he spear-headed efforts at the height of wars in iraq and afghanistan. >>> and if you are mad at congress over the shutdown, there's a new way to voice your anger. check it out,drunkdialing.org will connect you to a congressional office. the tag line, whether you are a furloughed worker, being forced to work for free or just fed up with capitol hill. the site reports its been transferring a thousand calls an hour. i am not surprised. >>> coming up on "meet the press," david gregory sits down with christine laguard. that's your morning dish of scramled politics. >>> it is friday, you know what that means, we are joined by politico's kevin sarelli for a first look at politics. >> good morning, thank you very having me. happy friday. >> maybe not so good for folks of congress. a new wall street journal poll shows 60% of americans, 60% want to replace every single member of congress. are these dismal poll numbers having any kind of effect on the gridlock? >> well, a lot of the lawmaker th
ashton carter will step down in december after serving under 11 defense secretaries. he spear-headed efforts at the height of wars in iraq and afghanistan. >>> and if you are mad at congress over the shutdown, there's a new way to voice your anger. check it out,drunkdialing.org will connect you to a congressional office. the tag line, whether you are a furloughed worker, being forced to work for free or just fed up with capitol hill. the site reports its been transferring a thousand...
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the department of defense will reimburse the foundation once it ends. president obama says he will not wait for congress. >> the theory that we should shut down the government as a negotiation tactic should never have been done in the first place. it does a disservice to all the men and women in uniform and the veterans who sacrifice for our freedom. >> the house unanimously voted on wednesday in favor of the $100,000 so-called death gratuity for families within three days of a soldier's death. it is unclear when the senate will take up the measure. >>> we are ten days deep and today signs of more open communication between parties but not completely. the white house invited all 232 house republicans for a meeting today. but house speaker john boehner rejected that invitation. inste instead, he chose 18 select members to attend. including himself and majority leader eric cantor. jay carney says the president is "disappointed." a white house aide says the president is also expected to meet with senate democrats today. meanwhile, the president met with ho
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>> the immediate consequences, practical cops defenses would probably be almost zero. that is to say there would only be the projections based on obligations coming up. but the psychological damage would be very real and that psychological damage would translate to immediate major problems for the world economy. >> i'd like to switch gears here to this libyan terrorist who is in new york as we reported he's facing pending criminal indictment trial. could this be the beginning of a new way of hamming terror suspects that does not include guantanamo? >> actually, there have been a couple of other instances where people who have been charged with terrorism have been tried in u.s. courts. there was one in kentucky very recently. part of the problem is that the ones who are being held in guantanamo bay have not really had any adjudication of the charges against them. they have all been hug up for the longest time, by which i mean many, many years. in the case of the one just arrested in libya, he's been under in-tidictment in new york since 1998, so it's logical that he wou
>> the immediate consequences, practical cops defenses would probably be almost zero. that is to say there would only be the projections based on obligations coming up. but the psychological damage would be very real and that psychological damage would translate to immediate major problems for the world economy. >> i'd like to switch gears here to this libyan terrorist who is in new york as we reported he's facing pending criminal indictment trial. could this be the beginning of a...
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, which it's not even clear this could be done legally it may well be illegal to forgo payment to a defense contractor so you can pay a chinese bond holder the next day, but more importantly, it's just not doable. i mean, it means asking the federal government to disrupt a sprawling, massive payment system that involves multiple interacting computer systems and agencies. take a second to consider the thought process here. the same people who cast the government as incompetent and useless, the same people who have been delighting in the stories of the long-planned health care exchanges central to obama care beset with glitches and failures, those same people believe the treasury department can take, perhaps, the most complicated payment system in the world, the one processing millions of payments a day, trillions of dollars a year, and just rewire it on the fly to pick and choose payments to avoid default. the reality is there is no magic fix that would make breaching the debt ceiling smooth, and anyone who claims otherwise is selling you something you should not buy. joining me now is steve
, which it's not even clear this could be done legally it may well be illegal to forgo payment to a defense contractor so you can pay a chinese bond holder the next day, but more importantly, it's just not doable. i mean, it means asking the federal government to disrupt a sprawling, massive payment system that involves multiple interacting computer systems and agencies. take a second to consider the thought process here. the same people who cast the government as incompetent and useless, the...
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it is the most highly efficient and effective program that we have as the first line of defense against hunger in this nation. i'm not sure what type of sensible reforms that he speaks of, because other federal programs should aspire to the efficiency and effectiveness of the food stamp program, and, in fact, today in america when we're seeing more and more individuals who work every day, whose paychecks aren't stretching, i think that he needs to refocus his attention in getting a budget passed, as well as agreement on the debt ceiling before 47 million americans face a november without a food stamp program. >> so hold for me for one second, because lisa, i want to put on the table the idea when the government restarts, which we're assuming it will, at some point the government will restart, but poor people, vulnerable people often have less resiliency, right, so what we're seeing here could have longer term results? >> absolutely, absolutely. one of the things we know about poor people is they don't have wealth, right, they can't consume out of wealth. >> according to your calculation
it is the most highly efficient and effective program that we have as the first line of defense against hunger in this nation. i'm not sure what type of sensible reforms that he speaks of, because other federal programs should aspire to the efficiency and effectiveness of the food stamp program, and, in fact, today in america when we're seeing more and more individuals who work every day, whose paychecks aren't stretching, i think that he needs to refocus his attention in getting a budget...
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>> the goofy billionaire owner of the dallas cowboys, jerry jones, thinks he has the perfect defense. jones said it would be a real mistake to think that dan who is jewish has a lack of sensitivity regarding somebody's feelings. i promise you that. well then i have this question for dan schneider. what are your favorite nicknames for jews that non-jews have come up with. if you think that those nicknames for jews are utterly reprehensible, what gives you the right to use and try to profit by a nickname invented by the same kind of people who came up with all of those nick naks that we hate and con den? [ banker ] sydney needed some financial guidance so she could take her dream to the next level. so we talked about her options. her valuable assets were staying. and selling her car wouldn't fly. we helped sydney manage her debt and prioritize her goals, so she could really turn up the volume on her dreams today... and tomorrow. so let's see what we can do about that... remodel. motorcycle. [ female announcer ] some questions take more than a bank. they take a banker. make a my financia
>> the goofy billionaire owner of the dallas cowboys, jerry jones, thinks he has the perfect defense. jones said it would be a real mistake to think that dan who is jewish has a lack of sensitivity regarding somebody's feelings. i promise you that. well then i have this question for dan schneider. what are your favorite nicknames for jews that non-jews have come up with. if you think that those nicknames for jews are utterly reprehensible, what gives you the right to use and try to profit...
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you know, people forget we got $487 billion out of defense before sequestration. and, you know, we've done this in our history after world war i, after world war ii, after korea. we always disarm, we cutback the military so we won't be prepared for the next one. seems to be in our dna. we go into the next conflict unprepared and lose people needlessly. in the past when we've done this it's been after the war. people have forgotten we're still at war. >> tell us about the meeting with the president yesterday. do you have any reason hope to that there may be a coming together of the two sides? >> you know, we've been asking the president to sit down and talk to us for quite a while now. so i think last night was very positive. we had, i thought, a good meeting, a good discussion. i think a lot of air was cleared of things that we're working on and we left the meeting with a decision that the president would talk to his people, we would talk to our people. they would talk to each other, which they did through the night. and i'm hopeful. i'm anxious to hear from our l
you know, people forget we got $487 billion out of defense before sequestration. and, you know, we've done this in our history after world war i, after world war ii, after korea. we always disarm, we cutback the military so we won't be prepared for the next one. seems to be in our dna. we go into the next conflict unprepared and lose people needlessly. in the past when we've done this it's been after the war. people have forgotten we're still at war. >> tell us about the meeting with the...
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provide a game changer to do things better so that we are not trying to dig ourselves out a hole or play defense, but look at how can we provide or come up with policies and strategies that will take us into the next 20 or 30 years or things that will make sure we are being responsible in government and encouraging growth and innovation in government and the economy. >> one thing we found in the middle is that it was this pragmatism of stop looking backwards. i get it and i know there is appeal in the country, but how do you critique to them? i will start with you. >> it's something that you guys talk about a lot and the country talks about a lot. the lack of relationship and the lack of trust even within members of congress that enabled the environment to have these constructively conversations to say what can we agree on and how can we come up with the substantive policies. that's what aaron and i and others have recognized. for aaron we started talking and becoming friends through working out at the gym in the morning. that turned into a recognition saying we have a lot in common. >> the hous
provide a game changer to do things better so that we are not trying to dig ourselves out a hole or play defense, but look at how can we provide or come up with policies and strategies that will take us into the next 20 or 30 years or things that will make sure we are being responsible in government and encouraging growth and innovation in government and the economy. >> one thing we found in the middle is that it was this pragmatism of stop looking backwards. i get it and i know there is...
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we gave broad authority to the department of defense to pay all kinds of bills including this. and frankly, i think it's disgraceful that they're withholding these benefits. >> now, the pentagon says they don't have the legal authority to pay these benefits during the shutdown. so wasn't it disgraceful, i mean really disgraceful for republicans to shut down the government in the first place given these implications? >> absolutely, reverend. absolutely. but you got to understand, goldie and i were one of those select few that served in the military. it's about 1% of america that serves and goes overseas. john boehner's not part of that. he doesn't understand these five families that lost their loved ones this weekend in afghanistan don't have the death benefits. he doesn't understand that the va just closed down 56 centers, educational centers. he doesn't understand they shut down regional centers in the va. he doesn't understand that every day 1,000 veterans will get their claims backlogged because they had over 3500 folks laid off. it's a disgrace what's gone on. and i don't w
we gave broad authority to the department of defense to pay all kinds of bills including this. and frankly, i think it's disgraceful that they're withholding these benefits. >> now, the pentagon says they don't have the legal authority to pay these benefits during the shutdown. so wasn't it disgraceful, i mean really disgraceful for republicans to shut down the government in the first place given these implications? >> absolutely, reverend. absolutely. but you got to understand,...
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you know, they say they like defense, republicans tend to be, as a group, a bit more hawkish than democrats, but not in terms of supporting the military. both parties are whatever they are, but they're not particularly ideological about veterans benefits and things like that. but along come the republicans. it seems like they wrote that bill, shutting down the government, they wrote the exceptions. they never made the exceptions for what happens if you get killed in war, which is part of war. it happens. it's one of the statistical realities of war, which we all hate, but it's there. and they never allowed for the fact that some of our good gis are risking their life for this country and its values, including democracy, aren't going to make it back. and apparently according to the expert, the controller, they knew it when they did it that they were secluding the death benefits, the $100 k that goes to the family for travel and everything, they knew they were kissing good-bye to that and they did it. i don't get that part. >> i don't get, really, any of it, when they talk about that there's
you know, they say they like defense, republicans tend to be, as a group, a bit more hawkish than democrats, but not in terms of supporting the military. both parties are whatever they are, but they're not particularly ideological about veterans benefits and things like that. but along come the republicans. it seems like they wrote that bill, shutting down the government, they wrote the exceptions. they never made the exceptions for what happens if you get killed in war, which is part of war....
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folks didn't get their paychecks and still haven't, except for those now just within the department of defense, but to go to goldie's point, they did a horrible job taking care of our troops at the darkest moment of these families who are heartbroken because their loved ones aren't going home. that sergeant hawkins is from pennsylvania. but what did john mccain say? he said shouldn't we be embarrassed? the problem is, the house republicans and john boehner and ted cruz, they're not embarrassed. and shame on them. >> republicans who are responsible for the shutdown blamed the president. joe wilson, the guy who said you lie. he didn't tell the truth. this decision affirms that the administration is trying to inflict as much pain as possible on the nation's most vulnerable people during the shutdown. that's if you believe joe wilson on anything. it is outrageous that the president has temporarily halted death benefits for fallen americans who have given the ultimate sacrifice. why he didn't know this when he signed this and voted for the thing is not explainable by his current tone. well, the pen
folks didn't get their paychecks and still haven't, except for those now just within the department of defense, but to go to goldie's point, they did a horrible job taking care of our troops at the darkest moment of these families who are heartbroken because their loved ones aren't going home. that sergeant hawkins is from pennsylvania. but what did john mccain say? he said shouldn't we be embarrassed? the problem is, the house republicans and john boehner and ted cruz, they're not embarrassed....
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even though defense secretary chuck hagel said the benefits were not there. the department warned congress the benefits would be cut off until unless it was specifically addressed before they passed the bill september 27th. the pentagon comptroller, hale, said it would be affected by the shutdown, this is a quote, this is ghoulish, but it is the law, not public policy. you can't have it both ways. and msnbc contributor, sam seder, host of the on line pod cast majority report. and host of the radio show. i didn't know until three years ago, national park access, huge, undying issue for conservatives. >> yeah, apparently it is a real problem. and you know, look, the bottom line is that there are all sorts of liability issues frankly with leaving these parks just opened so that anybody can run through them. i mean, there are obviously a lot of operations that go on. but this is one of the biggest, there is a lot of liability issues, somebody goes in there, gets hurt. there is a huge lawsuit. it goes on and on. >> well, you know, this is an easy one for republica
even though defense secretary chuck hagel said the benefits were not there. the department warned congress the benefits would be cut off until unless it was specifically addressed before they passed the bill september 27th. the pentagon comptroller, hale, said it would be affected by the shutdown, this is a quote, this is ghoulish, but it is the law, not public policy. you can't have it both ways. and msnbc contributor, sam seder, host of the on line pod cast majority report. and host of the...
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he established a 84 um on finance defense bill. i wish we had more of that. howard, get on there. congratulations to today's winner. we'll be right back. she loves a lot of the same things you do. it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than 4 hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if yo
he established a 84 um on finance defense bill. i wish we had more of that. howard, get on there. congratulations to today's winner. we'll be right back. she loves a lot of the same things you do. it's what you love about her. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat...
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>> someone's a little defensive. but what suggestions do you have for more productive meetings? >> here's what i have to say first and foremost. meetings kill productivity. so we spend about 62 hours a month in meetings. surveys with senior executives say 50% of that time is wasted. that's 31 hours a month wasted in lost productivity. a lot of senior managers are now starting to say, well, maybe i should do standing meetings to get them going and moving along faster or maybe i should ban meetings one day a week to get employees really working. so i think if you're going to have a i think if you're going have a meeting, keep it below 60 minutes. anything above 60 minutes is a complete utter waste of time and then you have to have the meeting after the meeting to cuss discuss the meeting. >> can i ask a leading question? >> go ahead, ari. >> does that mean if you have a colleague who is sort of a disrupter in the meeting and helps bring out its absurdity that's that's positive for the efficiency of the entire group and company? >> the answer is no. no. >> don't take the bait. >> i
>> someone's a little defensive. but what suggestions do you have for more productive meetings? >> here's what i have to say first and foremost. meetings kill productivity. so we spend about 62 hours a month in meetings. surveys with senior executives say 50% of that time is wasted. that's 31 hours a month wasted in lost productivity. a lot of senior managers are now starting to say, well, maybe i should do standing meetings to get them going and moving along faster or maybe i...
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the treasury decides to pay one creditor but not a social security beneficiary, not a soldier, not a defense contractor. that is default by another name. so they are, they couldn't be more wrong. >> once it hits that ceiling on the 17th, then it becomes a period of where some bills have to not be paid, and it increases and increases. i want to go back to the new york times report on business groups calling for the end of the shutdown. here's what they say. in a letter to congress, the president of the national retail federation said, quote, we strongly support passage of both a continuing resolution to provide for funding of the federal government into the next fiscal year and a measure to raise the nation's debt ceiling. now these are people that are customarily supportive of conservative or right-wing causes. why would threy write that. >> unfortunately, the extremist community isn't moved at all by the pressure you could flormly count on to put this to the side. the problem right now is less the ted cruises and bachmans. it's the moderates who should know better but refuse to eschew the e
the treasury decides to pay one creditor but not a social security beneficiary, not a soldier, not a defense contractor. that is default by another name. so they are, they couldn't be more wrong. >> once it hits that ceiling on the 17th, then it becomes a period of where some bills have to not be paid, and it increases and increases. i want to go back to the new york times report on business groups calling for the end of the shutdown. here's what they say. in a letter to congress, the...
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he doesn't just have to be on the defensive anymore. he has things, like he can try to use to attack his opponent. >> here's another example of this, we got a pretty dramatic illustration of the potential for democrats. in some states at least this week, in virginia, a couple polls out this week, a governor's race in quinnipiac. terry mccoll, 8 points ahead of ted cuccinelli. attitudes on the shut down. shutting down government as a way of stopping health care reform. 71% say they're against it. 24% say they support it. i don't think there are a lot of states like this, todd, that like swing states anymore. back in the '90s, there were a ton of swing states. there's e here's swing states turning against the republicans. >> if it is skewed in northern virginia, the tide water region is all military, veterans, active duarte, in terms of a shutdown question, virginia is unlike other states. there is so much government there. the other factor, in 2014, you mentioned the tightness of counties, the other things that democrats should be rememb
he doesn't just have to be on the defensive anymore. he has things, like he can try to use to attack his opponent. >> here's another example of this, we got a pretty dramatic illustration of the potential for democrats. in some states at least this week, in virginia, a couple polls out this week, a governor's race in quinnipiac. terry mccoll, 8 points ahead of ted cuccinelli. attitudes on the shut down. shutting down government as a way of stopping health care reform. 71% say they're...
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a senior defense official tells nbc news, 17 service members have died since the government shutdown on october 1st. and that none of their families have received those benefits, among them the family of 19-year-old marine larns corporal jeremiah collins, killed on saturday. his grieving mother spoke with our nbc affiliate in milwaukee. >> there's nothing like this pain. for the sacrifice that our kids are making and at the age they are making them, i don't understand how this can be a benefit that's withheld. i will not -- ip won't ever understand it. >> joining me now pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. there's been back and forth whether it was made by the pentagon or something required for the government shutdown. clear this us for us. >> it is not a call by the pentagon. the lawyers here in the pentagon went to every possible length to figure out how to get around the law that shut the government down. and tried to work it into the pay the military now act and looked at every possible loophole and couldn't make it work. at least temporarily, the benefits will not be paid. i
a senior defense official tells nbc news, 17 service members have died since the government shutdown on october 1st. and that none of their families have received those benefits, among them the family of 19-year-old marine larns corporal jeremiah collins, killed on saturday. his grieving mother spoke with our nbc affiliate in milwaukee. >> there's nothing like this pain. for the sacrifice that our kids are making and at the age they are making them, i don't understand how this can be a...
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when he's on tv with people like candy crowley, it's all defensive. woe is me. you see him on the stump, the fingers are out pointing. it's like pat buchanan. he's giving instructions and leading on the army. the minute he's in the studio with an objective questioner, it's woe is me. doesn't anybody see this crap? or not? i don't know. i see it. >> it's absolute rope-a-dope. on the political side, his whole theory, his whole theory of the case is built on a lie. he is lying to the base of his party and promising them he can deliver the end of the affordable care act. which he should know. to build on that to keep people behind him, he's continuing to tell more lies which is this is really the democrats. they're making me do this. i'm not a bad guy. i don't want to shut the government down, they do. it's this perfect pivot he's doing between the mainstream media where he wants to be a presidential candidate. and his base that wants to be a fighter and wrestling obama to the mat. >> it's a combination of rush limbaugh's sort of woe is me, the guy out there selling
when he's on tv with people like candy crowley, it's all defensive. woe is me. you see him on the stump, the fingers are out pointing. it's like pat buchanan. he's giving instructions and leading on the army. the minute he's in the studio with an objective questioner, it's woe is me. doesn't anybody see this crap? or not? i don't know. i see it. >> it's absolute rope-a-dope. on the political side, his whole theory, his whole theory of the case is built on a lie. he is lying to the base of...
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definitely open to cutting the defense budget. again, they are looking inward. one of our polsters said this. most of these folks fall in the middle that aren't comfortable left or right, they fall in the middle. they are essentially looking at politics through their own life. they sit here and say, boy, i'm struggling to do this, why are we bothering aiding the military in egypt who isn't interested in helping us out. >> is it any wonder after the two wars we've been through and recession that people are looking inward. there's a lot of space for a different kind of political candidate. >> it is. if people look at it. here is the thing. we all knew -- we used to say politics fought between the 40 yarls using a football metaphor. what we've learned with this poll, politics fought between the 25 yard line. the two ideological groups are smaller than the media has made you believe. >> people fighting over these marginal issues. >> this group has nothing to do with it. they are solutions oriented. just get it done. >> chuck todd, thank you very much. >> you got it.
definitely open to cutting the defense budget. again, they are looking inward. one of our polsters said this. most of these folks fall in the middle that aren't comfortable left or right, they fall in the middle. they are essentially looking at politics through their own life. they sit here and say, boy, i'm struggling to do this, why are we bothering aiding the military in egypt who isn't interested in helping us out. >> is it any wonder after the two wars we've been through and...
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for the defense, john feehery. is this guy an albatross? does he darken in a negative way the republican brand, this guy? ted cruz. >> i think he's kind of like the republican version of miley cyrus. either you love him or you hate him. but i don't think ultimately he's going to have that much of a damage to the republican brand. i think he hurts right now cuccinelli in virginia mostly because there's so many federal workers in virginia. but he's a rock star when it comes to the internet and the twitter world. and he's got a big grassroots base. and i don't think ultimately, though, unless he continues to attack other republicans, this is the problem with the party right now. there's too much republican on republican violence. and they're spending too much time attacking one another and not nearly enough time going after the president and going after democrats. the party's got to you fi. if the party unifies, they'll be in stronger shape. if they continue this republican on republican violence, it could be an ugly year. >> here's a great qu
for the defense, john feehery. is this guy an albatross? does he darken in a negative way the republican brand, this guy? ted cruz. >> i think he's kind of like the republican version of miley cyrus. either you love him or you hate him. but i don't think ultimately he's going to have that much of a damage to the republican brand. i think he hurts right now cuccinelli in virginia mostly because there's so many federal workers in virginia. but he's a rock star when it comes to the internet...
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over the defense of marriage act, over fast and furious. they want an impeachment if he didn't extend the bush tax cuts, because he made recess appointments, because of the dream act, because of the war in libya, because of gun control, because of quote, all the czars he appointed. that was first term stuff, right? in 2013, who's out spouting this garbage besides sarah palin and her right wing party? >> we want all tools available to use, including that impeachment. >> if he continues this, could that build up to make a case for possible impeachment? >> all options are on the table. >> if we were to impeach the president tomorrow, we would probably have the votes to do it. >> we may be starting to use the i word before too long. >> meaning impeachment. >> tell me how i can impeach the pritz of the united states. >> to successfully impeach the president you need the votes in the u.s. senate with harry reid. >> would you have to qualify in proceedings against the president. and that's called impeachment. barack obama is a personal friend of m
over the defense of marriage act, over fast and furious. they want an impeachment if he didn't extend the bush tax cuts, because he made recess appointments, because of the dream act, because of the war in libya, because of gun control, because of quote, all the czars he appointed. that was first term stuff, right? in 2013, who's out spouting this garbage besides sarah palin and her right wing party? >> we want all tools available to use, including that impeachment. >> if he...
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is are you going to correct it and continue to damage the economy and some significant programs both defense and domestic. that's an issue that has to be taken up but it can't be taken up until the sword of damocles is removed from the economy by passing extension of the debt ceiling and dealing with this shutdown. >> while the white house and democrats are taking great comfort in nbc "wall street journal" poll and other polls that show how much republicans in congress are being blamed for all this, there are other numbers in that poll that have red lights or warning signals for the white house. that is 43% believe the president's refusal to negotiate health care until government is reopened should not be supported. it's 40% agreeing, 43% disagreeing. the president is not blameless in this as far as the american people are concerned. that is only going to build especially with the disastrous rollout of the health care program and the way the logging in and computer signing on has been unrolling. as i said before, i don't think anybody benefits. i would caution everyone not to read daily poll
is are you going to correct it and continue to damage the economy and some significant programs both defense and domestic. that's an issue that has to be taken up but it can't be taken up until the sword of damocles is removed from the economy by passing extension of the debt ceiling and dealing with this shutdown. >> while the white house and democrats are taking great comfort in nbc "wall street journal" poll and other polls that show how much republicans in congress are being...
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that's a difficult logical position for the government to defend, although they do have a defense, they say, if you take down these limits it allows people to get around and circumvent the individual limits and start funneling the money to all the candidates they want. the other thing is as a practical matter there's probably only about 600 people that have ever bumped up against this $123,000 limit or the $48,000 limit in direct contributions to candidates. >> well, and i want to bring in michael here. the other issue here is that this seems like a silly -- it seems like a silly restriction now after citizens united gave the blueprint. citizens united didn't start the idea of super pacs. we always want to make that distinction. but essentially election lawyers used citizens united to come up with this superpab pac blueprint that it does allow mr mr. mccutchen, he can only give a certain amount of money to federal candidates directly, but superpacs allow him to write unlimited amount of money to candidates in a separate committee. >> it's an important point. right now candidates in poli
that's a difficult logical position for the government to defend, although they do have a defense, they say, if you take down these limits it allows people to get around and circumvent the individual limits and start funneling the money to all the candidates they want. the other thing is as a practical matter there's probably only about 600 people that have ever bumped up against this $123,000 limit or the $48,000 limit in direct contributions to candidates. >> well, and i want to bring...
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they can't feel for the defensive teams. >> other than that. i'm shocked. >> i thought the tigers were a team. >> talking during the team and listening to that. >> you are not looking. i'm talking and you are not looking. what did you learn today? >> instead of a top
they can't feel for the defensive teams. >> other than that. i'm shocked. >> i thought the tigers were a team. >> talking during the team and listening to that. >> you are not looking. i'm talking and you are not looking. what did you learn today? >> instead of a top
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destroy american infrastructure after he understood the charges, he said he could not afford his own defense lawyer. and he was speaking through a translator by the way. the judge said he would help find the defendant an attorney to represent him. and then it was over. he was led out of the courtroom, handcuffs were put back on him and the case was add adjourned until october 22nd. >> and richard, what details if any, do we know regarding the interrogation? there were reports he was interrogated over international waters and that ended earlier than perhaps desired as a result of some health issue. what do you know of that? >> reporter: u.s. officials have told nbc news that the intention was to hold anas al libi for a longer period of time, perhaps several more weeks or months while being held on a u.s. military ship in the mediterranean. by holding him on that ship on the mediterranean he wasn't subject to american laws. he could be held without having his miranda rights in order to extract any kind of real time intelligence he might have about future plots. but we have been told by officia
destroy american infrastructure after he understood the charges, he said he could not afford his own defense lawyer. and he was speaking through a translator by the way. the judge said he would help find the defendant an attorney to represent him. and then it was over. he was led out of the courtroom, handcuffs were put back on him and the case was add adjourned until october 22nd. >> and richard, what details if any, do we know regarding the interrogation? there were reports he was...
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that's an unusual way to start organizing votes because it sounds defensive. explain that to us. >> reporter: well, ari, the problem is too many people called the office and said they were going to be no quite easy. what you saw from the e-mail from your hill experience, that is showing a sign of weakness off the bat, saying, look, we do not know if we can get to the magical number of 218, because there's so much warring factions between the house gop conference. that ultimately sunk the house's ability to have any say in what this bipartisan deal would be eventually. that is something that's caused house speaker john boehner a plethora of problems in terms of saying he is? charge, where is the leadership et cetera. thomas massey, of kentucky, tweeted that he thinks the next fight over government funding the house republican conference lost leverage because they are not able to agree to anything that gets to 218. what's interesting about that yesterday, a lot of people think it was conservatives opposed to it and there were a lot of members who hated the idea
that's an unusual way to start organizing votes because it sounds defensive. explain that to us. >> reporter: well, ari, the problem is too many people called the office and said they were going to be no quite easy. what you saw from the e-mail from your hill experience, that is showing a sign of weakness off the bat, saying, look, we do not know if we can get to the magical number of 218, because there's so much warring factions between the house gop conference. that ultimately sunk the...